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The Two types of Tories

by liberalleslie @ 30. 07. 07 - 18:43:04

Despite trying to hang around as little as possible with them, I feel qualified to assert that there are essentially two types of Tories.

There are those who simply want power, and the ideologically Conservative.

Both are as nasty as the other, and don’t forget both qualify for bogey man status on the very grounds they are Tories.

Cameron falls comfortably into the first type. From Eaton, his politics is all about keeping power in the family. His whole move to the centre is nothing but a cynical ploy to get power. The number of Eatonians in his cabinet and the selection of Lit, the son of the local millionaire and land owner also signifies this.

The other side finally spoke up to do, led by Leigh the leader of the Cornerstone group and rival to Cameron in the last leadership contest. He’s a ideological Conservative, a real nasty.

Leigh was quoted in the Guardian website today as saying:
“This is what I suggest. A simple mantra: 'We believe in prosperity based on low taxation and deregulation. We believe in security based on strong defence and immigration control. We believe in stability based on marriage and social and individual responsibility. We believe in freedom based on consumer choice in education, health and pensions.'
"You will say, 'How hackneyed! We've heard it all before'. But that is Conservatism: the Conservatism of all successful Conservative governments anywhere in the world over the last 50 years.”

And pleading the Tories to:

“Be confident and stand up for what you believe in. Ultimately, the country will respect us for it. Otherwise they will wonder where we stand, what we believe in. The public have to know what you believe in, otherwise you'll never win."

Its refreshing to here a Conservative actually speak Conservative talk. Compare Camerons abandonment of Conservatism and retreat to the centre with;

So we do need to talk more about immigration, low taxes and Europe..."

I fear that should Cameron fail, and be ousted this is the way the Conservatives will go.

Either is good for me, at the moment in less he is a strait up liar Cameron’s leadership will stop Conservatism from making any progress because it has no party. If someone like Leigh gets power then Conservatism would get its party back, but said party would be launched into political oblivion. That said the less press given to Leigh’s views the better.

More to the point, we must take note, the opposition party (just like the last 10 years at least) is in chaos, Conservatism in confusion. The results of the BNP leadership election paint the same picture for the far right. Such circumstances should be a rallying call to Liberals and Lib Dems, to continue the offensive on both types of Tories


 
 

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Are you a LibDem who is to the left of New Labour or an Orange Book LibDem?

Doesn't the UK need a party that believes in low taxation and a small State?

liberalleslieliberalleslie [Member]
30/07/07 @ 19:01

I dont really see the divide in liberals quit so simple as one or the other. To be honest i claim the word Liberal in my blog title and the rest can be dammed.

A party of low tax and small state is precisly what the UK need, in both cases certain freedoms must be provided though. The small state should be social though not just economic, section 28 and recent laws on free speech and demonstration of recent amongst many others are good examples of the big state interferring in peoples life. ID cards were oppossed at first only by Liberals while the formerly Conservative party dithered.

At this autumn conference the Lib Dems will be debating a 4p income tax cut something that Camerons Conservatives have ruled out.

If you want a small goverment the tories are not for you.

But will they be advocating a flat tax at the next election? That would be something really radical, something that would catch the imagination of the electorate.

A party offering people real freedom to choose would capture many, many, votes.

liberalleslieliberalleslie [Member]
30/07/07 @ 19:31

No we wont and the party im a member of wont, although if any one is into flat taxes then go for Labour and the tories with their support of coucil tax.

I doubt that the party proposing flat tax would win.

Tax unfortunatly isnt a matter of choice and tories arent the party of choice either.

The council tax is not a flat tax, but a tax based on the value of a person's home.

I mean a flat tax whereby income tax is levied at one rate on all persons (ideally, income tax and corporation tax should be the same rate) - it is fair and it also has the benefit of reducing tax evasion.

I think that there are some in all three parties who favour such a tax.

I think it would be very popular electorally.

Eric [Visitor]

30/07/07 @ 21:00

Ummm, small correction: Edward Leigh didn't stand in the last Conservative Party leadership contest. The contenders were David Cameron, David Davis, Liam Fox and Kenneth Clarke.

liberalleslieliberalleslie [Member]
31/07/07 @ 19:57

thats true my bad, poor memory he was tipped to win but the cornerstone group didnt push a candidate forward.

Tristan Mills [Visitor]
http://www.eridu.org.uk/blog/
31/07/07 @ 10:29

There are some liberal/libertarian Tories.
Often thoroughly decent people who stand for social and economic freedom.
Unfortunately there's not that many of them and they have very little power in the party.

I find it odd that the Tories can be in the same breath liberal and illiberal-
Leigh talks of low taxation and small state in economics, choice in health care and education - all good liberal positions - but then talks about immigration and family in such illiberal terms.
Immigration is not only good for the country, its good for those who come here looking for work. Liberals do not make distinction based upon nationality about the freedom, worth or rights of a person (although access to the welfare state needs to be restricted - but that's a privilege not a right).
The talk of family- well, a stable family is good for a child, but that doesn't necessitate the 'husband and wife, 2.4 children' arrangement. Its also used too much as a cover for homophobia...

The Tories are very strange. I can see scope for working with some on liberal issues, just as there's some scope in the Labour Party, but as with Labour, there's too much illiberalism there.

liberalleslieliberalleslie [Member]
31/07/07 @ 19:58

precisly very true

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